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Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:31:00 - [1] Originally by: Bologna Brains CCP hasnt denied it in 10 pages, and something like this, if easily fake, would be denied by CCP quickly. They can't deny it because it's true. This document honestly indicates that there are serious INTERNAL problems at CCP. It reads like a sales brochure that is trying to sell their own employees on this "bold new direction" into killing the sandbox of EVE by placing tollbooths everywhere an eye can see. I think that it was written because there is a lot of dissension in the ranks, much as we found out later there was on the Star Wars Galaxies Dev team when SOE ordered them to ditch the sandbox and do the NGE. Just as happened then, with SOE, I expect this "bold new direction" is going to cause a brain drain at CCP. Their top talent is going to leave as quickly as they can get new jobs. And why not, they have people who could work for anyone, who could probably command much higher salaries working for other publishers, some of the best talent THERE IS, who probably stayed on that frigid little island because they loved their job, and EVE and CCP were different from everyone else, cooler than everyone else. Now CCP is just another publisher looking to suck the maximum amount of cash out of their customer's wallets for a minimal amount of effort. Everything that made CCP respectable is now gone, perhaps irreparably. Indeed, DEFINITELY irreparably. They saw our reaction when all this was proposed. They ignored us. They see our reactions now. $60 for monocle? REALLY? How is that NOT pure greed? About the only thing that is going to save this game at this point is an announcement TOMORROW that they realize this was a terrible idea, Aurum is being dropped and everyone who bought any is having their money refunded, and all the cash shop items are going to be seeded in game as blueprints, along with a promise to NEVER do something like this again. They won't do it. They are too busy spending all that extra money they are never going to get to see what is happening.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:45:00 - [2] Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Originally by: Republica Winder About the only thing that is going to save this game at this point is an announcement TOMORROW that they realize this was a terrible idea, Aurum is being dropped and everyone who bought any is having their money refunded, and all the cash shop items are going to be seeded in game as blueprints, along with a promise to NEVER do something like this again. Would you believe them? Didn't think so. No. Having been porked in the ass once already by SOE in a similar fashion, now this, I'm not only never touching EVE again if they don't undo all this crap, I think I'm through with MMOs period. This industry is corrupt and greedy. The publisher that WONT stab you in the back and ruin your game for the sake of some easy money doesn't exist. I used to think that publisher was CCP. Which is what makes this so tragic. Look, guys, most here haven't even realized what the second shoe that has yet to hit the floor is going to be... If they are going to be selling $60 monocles to people who have lots more money than sense, who do you think CCP is going to favor? Are they going to tell those customers, who are making them a HELLUVA LOT MORE MONEY than YOU are "tough" when that item blows up with their ship? Or are they going to DO AWAY WITH open pvp? Anyone who thinks that EVE's sandbox won't give ground EVERY TIME it comes in conflict with the cash shop is someone who is in the market for beach front property in Nevada.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 23:47:49 So, who's up for playing Eve? Nah, didn't think so. Same phenomenon is happening that I remember on the SOE boards back in 2005, what they did to the game is so awful that posting on the forums, especially reading the LOL defenses of their actions by the fanbois is more fun than the game.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Nilania Telshua This is like watching a trainwreck happen. The fact that there is no proper denial and that this thread is still going alone lends credibility to the material. We cannot be sure if there have been text edits though. Yet the fact that CCP dedicated such an internal communication instrument to selling the idea of Money Transaction to its employees proves that they are of central importance to the companies long-term strategy. That this document was leaked and even necessary to produce shows, how divided the internal culture of CCP is about Real-Money-Transactions. Incarna more and more turns into an example of a Public-Relations-Failcascade. History repeating itself because of the failure to learn from it. The same radical "F the players" action as the NGE is happening now. CCP is too fixated on the diamond encrusted gold rings they all think they are going to get. Or they are as insane as SOE was in 2005, thinking that they are going to replace us in toto with some new RMT lovin "target audience" and what we think doesn't matter. Which would be even more insane than SOE thinking they could pull that off. EVE is a niche. The largest of the niche games, but nevertheless a NICHE. We are here because we want a PLAYER DRIVEN SCI-FI SANDBOX. Not cash shops where "iWin" buttons are for sale. Not even SOE did the NGE for THAT reason... And this internal document certainly suggests that the public stance that the cash shop will NOT have anything that has more than a cosmetic ingame effect IS A LIE.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Xervish Krin Wait, they BANNED Helicity? Confirmed as a genuine leak, then. "No but liang did, and they saw me link it on twitter. They then sent me a bogus warning mail about some tame post I made earlier today, and then 30 minutes later I was banned without a mail about that." I always supported CCP, but I smell failscade... CCP has a history of dealing harshly with whistleblowers. This is a hubris most publishers have, they think they can conceal the rising sun with clever PR.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Xervish Krin I think CCP overheated their Damage Control II and burnt it out. Not even possible in game, but they goddamn found a way. 350,000 subscribers have a nasty habit of turning into 35,000, then 3,500 in a hurry over moves like this... That is what happened quickly after the NGE. A former SWG Dev I communicated with later told me that they lost over 100,000 subscribers THE FIRST WEEK. I remember the account servers pretty much lagged out when you tried to cancel back then too.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Caladan Broood So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors. Does anyone even care at this point? Why would anyone care about being banned from a game that no longer appeals to them because the publisher has decided that they know what we like more than we do?
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:13:00 - [8] Originally by: leth ghost i think ccp must have taken note how there new buddys sony dealt with the psn pr and try to emulate it lol Or John Smedley convinced Hillmar that your customers love you more and spend more money when you do things to their game that they don't want.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger What concerns me the most is that CCP has not made any reply to these claims... In the aftermath of the mess this latest expansion made, and with the degree of community backlash so far, this couldn't have come out at a worse time for CCP (real or fake). I would think they would have quickly prepared some kind of statement by now. They would have closed/deleted this thread and posted a denial if it were fake. It's real alright. Just as real as the backlash CCP is getting. Really, in the wake of what Incarna is, a CASH SHOP (and wildly overpriced one at that) NOT AN EXPANSION, is this internal newsletter really any worse for CCP than the game itself at this moment? It really just amounts to some gasoline on the already raging fire. As I said earlier, NOTHING but an apology and an IMMEDIATE withdraw of the cash shop, the refund of Aurum, and the seeding of all items as blueprints is going to save EVE at this point. Incarna has reached critical mass.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Kuronaga Rofl you guys have an employee loyalty score? That's about as bad as it gets. I wouldn't even consider working for a company that pulled that kind of ****. Maybe if your methods weren't so underhanded and greedy lately you wouldn't have to test your employees for loyalty... Telling your bosses that this change of direction amounts to company suicide is showing more company loyalty than chanting along with management that this is the greatest thing EVAH!

Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Grog Barrel Edited by: Grog Barrel on 23/06/2011 00:24:38 Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: leth ghost i think ccp must have taken note how there new buddys sony dealt with the psn pr and try to emulate it lol Or John Smedley convinced Hillmar that your customers love you more and spend more money when you do things to their game that they don't want. In europe is commonly to see companies giving a flying fnck about customer's satisfaction; probably an issue bound to the continent (i blame the rome empire for the matter, as scandinavians seem to be an exception). Companies here are so well protected and confederated with eachother "against" customers so to speak, that, if Adam Smith was still alive, he would never, ever have put a single word out outside of his mouth regarding the competitiveness, "free market" and everything what it implies. It's somehow continetal-wide issue if you ask me. Probably stronger in loliceland, if you care to read the cultural observations by the mittani and read some background of their pre- economic crisis welfare. Yeah, but you'd have to have Lindsey Lohan's instinct for responsible behavior to pull something like this when the only thing separating you from poverty is 350,000 players deciding to keep their subscription going the next month...
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Judicator Saturnius Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger What concerns me the most is that CCP has not made any reply to these claims... In the aftermath of the mess this latest expansion made, and with the degree of community backlash so far, this couldn't have come out at a worse time for CCP (real or fake). I would think they would have quickly prepared some kind of statement by now. They would have closed/deleted this thread and posted a denial if it were fake. It's real alright. Just as real as the backlash CCP is getting. Really, in the wake of what Incarna is, a CASH SHOP (and wildly overpriced one at that) NOT AN EXPANSION, is this internal newsletter really any worse for CCP than the game itself at this moment? It really just amounts to some gasoline on the already raging fire. As I said earlier, NOTHING but an apology and an IMMEDIATE withdraw of the cash shop, the refund of Aurum, and the seeding of all items as blueprints is going to save EVE at this point. Incarna has reached critical mass. I don't think i'd go for even that at this point, to be quite honest. Neither would I, at least until they stuck with it long enough to prove their sincerity. But it represents THE ONLY WAY they can stop digging this hole deeper at this point.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Tejal Charu You can try to win the uphill battle, CCP, but you can't win the war. The effort to get us to accept our sandbox being polluted with RMT turds amounts to p---ing up a rope.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Black Dranzer You know, thinking back, yesterday when the prices came out for the vanity items, I thought to myself, this is bad, but it probably won't hurt subscriber numbers. This.. this might actually hurt subscriber numbers. Hurt? It's going to hurt like jumping out of a plane onto the peak of Mt. Everest without a parachute. Given the incredibly high prices they put on their baubles can you imagine what they plan to charge us for the stuff being mentioned in the leaked internal newsletter? This expansion has already cost CCP far more money in the subscribers they have lost AND WILL LOSE SOON than RMT will make them. And they have already lost their reputation. Like virginity, it can't be regained.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku lots of CCP alts around these days on the forums, and not even hiding that well Can you blame them for being upset? They were all promised brand new gold plated Rolls-Royces every year and all the lines of ******* they can snort off the hoods of them because of this bold new move into RMT! Where did you think the money from those $60 monocles was going to go, into game development? HA! They are angrier than we are to see it all crash down in less than 24 hours!
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: Black Dranzer You know, thinking back, yesterday when the prices came out for the vanity items, I thought to myself, this is bad, but it probably won't hurt subscriber numbers. This.. this might actually hurt subscriber numbers. Hurt? It's going to hurt like jumping out of a plane onto the peak of Mt. Everest without a parachute. Given the incredibly high prices they put on their baubles can you imagine what they plan to charge us for the stuff being mentioned in the leaked internal newsletter? This expansion has already cost CCP far more money in the subscribers they have lost AND WILL LOSE SOON than RMT will make them. And they have already lost their reputation. Like virginity, it can't be regained. Actually, they have an operation for that. It uses needles and thread. True, but it tends to be exposed as fake when the experience past the repaired maidenhead is like throwing a hot dog down a hallway... That's as reamed out as CCP's integrity is at this point...
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This would be a much better argument if CCP wasn't showing obvious signs of management problems, financial problems, and in general being overstretched with too many risky projects. There was no reason for this. CCP should have focused on EVE, made it shine, and worked on one side projects at a time -tops-. Chasing the dream is fine, selling your customers to the devil to get there quicker and risk losing it all, that is unacceptable. From what I recall from EVE history, the original Dev team worked without pay for quite a long time to get the company started and the game released. After their wonderful decisions of the past year which culminated with this "expansion" at least a part of that history is about to repeat itself.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:59:00 - [18] Edited by: Republica Winder on 23/06/2011 00:59:52 At this point, CCP is going to need to merge with two other scumbag industry hated publishers with histories of producing crap and screwing customers over to survive. They also have had more success with RMT than CCP. SOE+Craptic+CCP The new company will be called: Sony Craptic Control Productions SCCP
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Republica Winder At this point, CCP is going to need to merge with two other scumbag industry hated publishers with histories of producing crap and screwing customers over to survive. SOE+Craptic+CCP The new company will be called: Sony Craptic Control Productions SCCP But then they would start controlling my network protocols? Yes, for $60 a pop.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Lord Cath Originally by: Cailais On re reading this document I think it may well be a fake, a carefully edited one. The same style and syntax appears throughout - despite having differing authors for example - "In short, itÆs the same in Incarna as elsewhere:..." "That is actually not a bad definition for us:..." "One such convention is of special importance to us:..." Now you might expect a similar stylistic approach for any document created for an internal business audience but it just feels 'off' somehow. C. It'd be awesome if you're right... somehow I doubt it How does this not fit in with the outrageous statement by a CCP manager some months back about "data not supporting" that (paraphrasing) making quality additions to the game leads to sales? And them basically telling us to wait 18 months for them to fix Dominion's problems? It's consistent.

Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Bizazedo Unacceptable. If I wanted this, I'd be playing a Zynga game. Ok, I am revising my idea of merging CCP with SOE and Craptic... That wouldn't be the ultimate combination of evil "F-the customer" publisher... Sony Craptic Control ProductionZ SCCPZ
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Judicator Saturnius Originally by: Anoobis Aivoras If it's real, oh well. Game Over. Pretty much the opinion of every EVE player I know. Time to get those amongst us together who can pull it off and start writing an EVE Emulator server. So we can have Pre-Dominion EVE.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Heimdallofasgard Indeed... fearless.... kind of an ironic title for their internal newsletter... Fearless: Bold, Brave, Intrepid But there's a fine line between bravery and stupidity... best not take risks with your "golden goose" now ccp... delete this Aurum and NeX store from the game and be done with this nonsense. The more accurate word is Hubris.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot Originally by: Zedrik Cayne Well...I've done it: I've pulled the Trigger. It has been a hell of a ride. Got less than sixty days left. If the boat doesn't turn around by then. And before anyone asks before reading it all...No, you can't have my stuff. So ends another legend of what we once called EVE. o7 Hope to read of your exploits in another mmo. I want to hear what Chribba and Wollari have to say about this...
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Black Dranzer Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer CCP's silence on the matter is just making things worse. Assuming it's true, what can they even say? I mean, really? Any spin will be seen as an attempt at spin. Any "confession" will be spread around just the same and touted as doomsday evidence. Their best bet right now is probably to let us burn ourselves out and then once things have calmed down post something along the lines of "Hey guys yeah things are changing give it time it's going to be great we swear we'll be careful we're looking into things just looking". As I have said, there is only one thing they can say that will deflect any of the damage they've created with Incarna: "We realize now this was a bad idea, we are eliminating Aurum, the cash shop and refunding all purchases. In addition, we will be seeding the market with blueprints for all the cash shop items. We promise to never explore this road in EVE again"
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor I think the staff changes that might happen as a result of this will be telling regarding the direction CCP plans to take with this MT junk. If Soundwave is still in the higher echelons, then we know where they're heading. I would be surprised if anyone gets fired. This is part of CCP's core goal right now, you would have to remove all of management and reorganize the company completely to purge this. If they stick to this no one will get fired. What will happen though is everyone who is against this (and I will repeat, this internal newsletter seems to me to be INTERNAL damage control, an attempt to sell THEIR STAFF on these changes) will LEAVE CCP and seek other jobs. In other words, CCP is about to lose the bulk of their talent (as SOE did after the NGE). The Devs left will be the ones who thinks the endgame is looting customer wallets, not 0.0 gameplay...
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor I think the staff changes that might happen as a result of this will be telling regarding the direction CCP plans to take with this MT junk. If Soundwave is still in the higher echelons, then we know where they're heading. I would be surprised if anyone gets fired. This is part of CCP's core goal right now, you would have to remove all of management and reorganize the company completely to purge this. If they stick to this no one will get fired. What will happen though is everyone who is against this (and I will repeat, this internal newsletter seems to me to be INTERNAL damage control, an attempt to sell THEIR STAFF on these changes) will LEAVE CCP and seek other jobs. In other words, CCP is about to lose the bulk of their talent (as SOE did after the NGE). The Devs left will be the ones who thinks the endgame is looting customer wallets, not 0.0 gameplay... We also don't really know how many people have already left in recent years for this reason, and we just never heard about it. I can think of a few beloved CCP staffers who no longer work there off hand. True. This current Dev team is a bunch of T20's.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Erichan someone mentioned earlier that chribba had posted.. does anyone have a link to that? I don't see a post on eve-search, so this was probably not true. Chribba is never one to make such posts quickly or lightly. True. But he was very strong in objecting to the "hey let's profit off our dedicated players who have done stuff our inbred Devs couldn't to make our game better" scheme. I believe he will respond to this too. What I'd love to see Chribba do is announce he is terminating his websites and support for EVE until the cash shop is undone and CCP ENDS RMT in EVE. CCP could not survive the bad PR of a ****ed off Chribba.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Erichan someone mentioned earlier that chribba had posted.. does anyone have a link to that? I don't see a post on eve-search, so this was probably not true. Chribba is never one to make such posts quickly or lightly. True. But he was very strong in objecting to the "hey let's profit off our dedicated players who have done stuff our inbred Devs couldn't to make our game better" scheme. I believe he will respond to this too. What I'd love to see Chribba do is announce he is terminating his websites and support for EVE until the cash shop is undone and CCP ENDS RMT in EVE. CCP could not survive the bad PR of a ****ed off Chribba. Boy are you wrong (thats sad, really). But in business terms, EVERYONE is replacable. Yes, even Chribba. If CCP decides to not care, they won't. I don't think they can. EVE is a game of scams. Of distrust. Of backstabbing. The one counter force to all that has always been Chribba. He's the indispensable man because he's been the ONLY RELIABLY TRUSTWORTHY PERSON in this game. You know anyone else who would be able to hold a station in 0.0 on reputation alone? If he left EVE it would be like dropping a nuke on the economy with respect to really really valuable things.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku Originally by: Republica Winder I don't think they can. EVE is a game of scams. Of distrust. Of backstabbing. The one counter force to all that has always been Chribba. He's the indispensable man because he's been the ONLY RELIABLY TRUSTWORTHY PERSON in this game. You know anyone else who would be able to hold a station in 0.0 on reputation alone? If he left EVE it would be like dropping a nuke on the economy with respect to really really valuable things. don't get me wrong, i LOVE Chribba (well, i don't know the person, but what he represents) for all he has done ALL the years, like hosting and beeing a reliable person. But trust me on this, business doesn't care about ppl, you are a drop in an ocean of possible customers. Nothing more. Maybe, if you are a larger drop, you will make some waves, but they die off eventually. Sure, I'm not saying they will care. They won't. But I am saying is that losing Chribba would have such a bad effect on EVE that they'd lose more money than those monocles will make them....

Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: BeanBagKing Edit: what happens if CCP locks it without a post? They're known to ignore an issue or two. But if they think this is just going away by itself, or by force, then they're sorely mistaken. We're on the eve of the day that EVE will either be recorded to continue to grow, or will go down in history as the day CCP's greed killed the game. Ball is in their corner. In other words, CCP's November 15, 2005 (the day the NGE was forced on SWG). The pessimist in me predicts they will cling to their delusions and greed. Which means that today represents the high water mark for EVE subscriptions from this day forward... Next month will represent the same from THAT day forward... Next month after that and that and so on. Until people are complaining that whole swaths of space are empty. Until 0.0 is so empty that individual vanity empires dot the maps Until people complain about no one in Jita in prime time... Think that is crazy? That is the path they are set upon.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Serenity Frye Edited by: Serenity Frye on 23/06/2011 02:36:14 nuke iceland. Is that actually necessary? Their economy is in such terrible shape you could throw a stack of $20's over Reykjavik into the ocean and half the population would drown trying to retrieve it. And that is saying something given the dollar's collapse in the past year... Given how terrible job prospects are there, why is CCP intentionally destroying themselves?
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Tachibana Kanade Its just sad. SWG all over again. Any other decent MMO's around? Nope. The whole MMO industry is full of WoW clones and MACROtransactions (there is nothing small about their ambitions towards your wallet). I expect the whole industry to crash, like the Videogame Crash of 1983.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Nimbat They locked the thread where we discussed the ban of helicity :( They are probably going to ban everyone associated with EN24 too. Now the idiotic licensing scheme makes sense, it would give them some measure of control of sites like that, as in, "oh, you inform people about our plans to turn our players into cash registers, we'll pull your "license" and now you can't sell ads for ISK". Revealing stuff like this to us is why sites should DO news. Seriously, if this is the direction CCP is going in (and they've been trying to ram new forms of RMT down our throats for the last year, remember the floated "stat remap for PLEX" scheme?) the sooner we know the better. An informed customer makes better decisions. This is like knowing about the impending NGE months in advance (instead of days which was what we got). We now know where CCP is going. RMT out our asses. Everything associated with Incarna will be RMT based. Dust will be RMT based. They plan to backfill the original EVE game with RMT. And items in the cash shop ARE NOT going to be cosmetic only.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:04:00 - [35] I oppose all RMT in a full price subscription game. ALL of it. Even the PLEX system as it exists hasn't really set well with me, because it has had a very negative impact on the game. 2/3rds of 0.0 is now under the control of alliances that bot for the purposes of selling ISK and PLEX is the grease that makes that machine turn almost effortlessly. I have laughed at the term "microtransactions" since they were first proposed. Why? Because I realized very early on that there would never be anything "micro" (as in small) about them, nor their ambitions towards your wallet. So, some time back I coined a more realistic term: macrotranscam. Macro, meaning large. Scam, meaning a game that charges you $15/month AND has these things. Does anything say macrotranscam more than baubles and pixelated clothing that costs more to buy in a VIDEO GAME than they do in real life?
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Patient 2428190 LOTRO reviving itself from the dead and Blizzard making an ungodly amount off their MT transactions, the writing was on the wall. Its only going to get worse. In the case of DDO and LOTRO, Turbine turned around a failed game, and a game that had failed to live up to expectations. And their model allows two choices: Free+RMT or subscription and get everything. Their model is by far the most fair and player friendly of all the "Free To Pay" (that is the truthful term for free to play) schemes. In the case of EVE, CCP is CREATING failure, this game has grown almost continually since launch, which no other game has done. I think we can safely say that those days are over from this point forward. You dont' introduce RMT in this manner as a way of saving a game, you introduce it out of arrogance, hubris, and pure greed. The most dangerous omen to come from all this is clearly CCP no longer has any understanding whatsoever of what their game is, why it has been successful, and what will keep their customers coming back. I would like to thank the employee who leaked this document. Clearly the reason it was made to begin with is that there must be some heated internal disagreement within the staff on this ripoff scheme. As I said earlier in this thread, it reads more like a sales brochure aimed at selling THEIR OWN PEOPLE on how awesome monetizing every aspect of EVE will be.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:27:00 - [37] Looks like they've woken up... The thread is starting to lose post count. Post faster, *****es!
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 13:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Meester Pink Wow. Charging more described as being "fearless." That's some serious spin there. Appalling. It does take bravery to not fear being unemployed in the worst world wide economy and job market in 80 years. But it is a bravado that is several miles across the border of stupidity. CCP has (or had) a good thing going in EVE, something that would have retained customer loyalty and continued to make them money for many more years. They just dumped all that in the toilet for a quick shameless cash grab. Surely they can't be that dumb? Could CCP have seriously overstretched their resources in trying to do DUST and World of Twilight at the same time? As in spent themselves into debt, and only overly monetizing EVE will allow them to survive? If they were that stupid, let them fail. I sure as hell aren't paying them to develop games I have no interest in playing whatsoever. And I resent my money that has gone into EVE not going BACK into EVE.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: General Windypops I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit? You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design. To maximize profit CCP would have to retain old customers while gaining new ones. While it might not be shocking it is a violation of what was promised to the fanbase. By making move like this CCP will NEITHER retain existing customers NOR attract any new ones. They've cost themselves 100,000 accounts AT LEAST, maybe even more. This is similar to what happened when SOE dumped the NGE turd on Star Wars Galaxies. The reason why they won't be able to replace those who leave is because they won't leave quietly. People who get backstabbed by a business tend to go away LOUDLY. The NGE ended up being reported in places where not even WoW got reported on: CBS, The New York Times, etc, not to mention the entire gaming news press. Take a look at the top story on all the gaming sites right now: Yep, this little backstab. People aren't going to go subscribe to the game that everyone says has management with the morality of Anthony Weiner. Also, another hindrance to attracting new players for a game like this IS the skill train time sink. The only way this game brings in new players is because of OLD players, like us (I have three 50+ million SP characters myself). EVE is more dependent on veteran players for long term survival than SWG was. Which means, to me anyway, I think this fiasco is going to hurt them faster and harder than the NGE harmed SOE. Worst of all, from CCP's point of view, it's harmed their reputation. Who is going to buy their other games? Take a look at how (un) successful everything SOE has launched since the NGE has been? DCUO, for example, which they spent over $50 million developing cratered within 5 months of launch, it's already being consolidated down into the bare minimum number of servers needed to keep it open with both PVP and PVE rulesets... So not only is this going to cost CCP EVE's success, it's going to make the failure of DUST and World of Twilight foregone conclusions. To CCP management: Is the extra nose candy money from selling $70 monocles and future planned items worth that?
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Nirnaeth Ornoediad A major problem with purchasing in-game items with real money is that it breaks a fundamental value proposition of EVE: the sandbox. You needed go no further than that. RMT item shops and sandbox games DO NOT MIX. They are oil and water. You can't have a sandbox with a cash shop, soon as you add one the game isn't a sandbox anymore.

Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:43:00 - [41] Originally by: leth ghost Edited by: leth ghost on 23/06/2011 14:39:59 not far off hitting the 24 hour mark now and still no response, nice way to show you care about your player base !!!!! o hang on they dont, they make us try and think they do, to milk us lol One thing I've always been amazed about with respect to the attitudes of MMO publishers. They completely lack any sense of urgency. They never see the urgency in the need to fix something that is horribly broken. They never see the urgency in the need to respond quickly to the whole customer base giving them a collective F-U!!!!!!!! to a terrible decision. They seem to think they have all the time in the world or that if they hide it will all go away. In this sense they are really no more mature than the average 4 year old.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Republica Winder They never see the urgency in the need to respond quickly to the whole customer base giving them a collective F-U!!!!!!!! to a terrible decision. Um, no. Don't you get it? CCP's silence is their collective F-U!!!!!!!! to us. And my canceled accounts (this one was only still active by accident) is my F-U right back to them. Hell, they are lucky I didn't call my bank and file a chargeback. Easy to do, especially when dealing with a charge from a foreign company.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:05:00 - [43] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Republica Winder Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Republica Winder They never see the urgency in the need to respond quickly to the whole customer base giving them a collective F-U!!!!!!!! to a terrible decision. Um, no. Don't you get it? CCP's silence is their collective F-U!!!!!!!! to us. And my canceled accounts (this one was only still active by accident) is my F-U right back to them. Hell, they are lucky I didn't call my bank and file a chargeback. Easy to do, especially when dealing with a charge from a foreign company. More power to ya, mate! I'm very close to it myself. Only thing holding me back so far is that I'm still holding out for an official CCP response (yes, I know, deluded). Right now all options are on the table IMHO. What CCP has done is "broken the social contract". So all bets are off. Since I really don't care if I ever play EVE again, why not cash all the way out? 50+ million SP capital pilots are still worth money, right?
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Irascor Luclin I can't help but feel like we all did when Napster was called out by Lars Ulrich. I know that stealing music isn't right, they deserve money for their hard work, but after that I'm pretty sure Metallica fell off the face of the planet. Where is EVE going? I never realized that paying CCP $15 per account each month was stealing from them!
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Bologna Brains Edited by: Bologna Brains on 23/06/2011 16:32:55 Dust: "...to offset the cost of freeloading spectators Dust will have a nominal cover charge..." (i love it when you speak dirty)" My favorite one thus far; wonder what us capsuleers are called? Nice to know that we have been dealing with a company that has nothing but contempt for those who give them money, isn't it? Merge them with SOE and Craptic to form Sony Craptic Control Productions. SCCP
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Miagi Sans I may think EVE24 is ****e, but CCP really NEEDS to explain this, if real or not..and if so... God help their souls.... It's not fake. This would have been the fist thread closed had it not been true. Although the moderators are busy closing down about every other thread on the forums. Traitors. You know, that's the best word I have for CCP after reading that newsletter.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:16:00 - [47] Originally by: Jeffor Any person who has a tiny clue about marketing knows that it is easier to retain old customers than gaining new ones. I am not sure how this applies to this situation but I am fairly sure it does somehow. Not to mention that dissatisfied customers are something like 10 times more likely to tell others about their experience than satisfied ones. That's what brought down SOE, despite their media and marketing blitz promoting the NGE, in which they called us the "vocal minority", word of mouth overcame more than $1 million of advertising.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Miilla Meh, I want to log in, but I just can't. Since I'm canceled anyway, no need to keep the client on my PC. Time to free up some space for a new game.
Republica Winder Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Miilla I hope that those who support micro transactions for game change items, are prepared to pay more to cover all the unsubbed accounts. Because that is what you will have to do, PAY MORE to cover the lower subs. Monocles will have to cost $200 a pop to make up for all the subs they are going to lose in the next week alone. In fact, I just had a brainstorm. Why not charge subscriptions FOR the monocles! Why should you only have to pay ONCE to enjoy the great monocle forever? What are you, freeloading spectators? Everyone who wishes to continue to enjoy the look of a futuristic Col. Klink should have to renew their monocle license at least every 2 months. There you go, REVENUE TO TEH MOON!
Republica Winder Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Alaura Aquila Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot And the joke is on the *gots who buy them. Hope they enjoy a tranq server with 1k players @ max capacity all sipping single-malt and buying another system in nullsec with euros. Maybe this will solve the lag issue? I guess that's one way to do it. If you ** off all your players and they leave there will be a lot less server lag. I guess they can go ahead and pink slip all the Devs working on lag now, the cash shop and plans to monetize EVERYTHING ELSE In this game has rendered their jobs irrelevant. While they are at it they could probably remove half the 0.0 regions to save on database size too, there will still be way more room than is actually needed.

Republica Winder Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Miilla I guess when we interview an Ex CCP employee we strike them off the hire list. Untrustable. Not exactly. Right now, it's the senior managers who get that tag. However, if they don't 100% retract all this crap, the CCP employees REMAINING 6 months from now should go on any "do not hire" list. If they follow the same pattern SOE did into downfall, what is happening right now is their best people all realize that the light at the end of the tunnel is the onrushing train. They are hard at work right now finding new gigs. What will be left will be a mix of evil and incompetent types who agreed with this move, new hires with no experience, and those who might have WANTED to leave but weren't good enough to land a job anywhere else. The result will be a Dev staff that is completely incapable of making anything. That's what happened with SOE. When the NGE hit, their best talent ran to the exits, STARTING with Raph Koster (who designed Pre-NGE SWG). Fast forward to their next major new MMO release, DC Universe Online. They spent 5 years and $50 million developing it. They put all the resources necessary to produce an AAA title. They put their best people on it. The end product was a piece of crap full of PVP exploits and not enough content to keep people playing past the first 2 weeks. They are merging servers down to 4. The game will likely have all remaining development cut off before it's even 1 year old. The lesson: Pulling a NGE is company destroying. Even IF you manage to survive it and keep going, the end result not only is a horrific reputation with customers, but with INDUSTRY TALENT. SOE can't hire top level talent to work for them in Austin or San Diego, much more appealing places than Iceland. Which tells me that CCP will ultimately end up in even worse shape. Again, assuming they survive this, they don't have other MMOs to live off of like SOE did. They are killing their ONE REVENUE SOURCE.

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